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Daily Prompt Challenge — Post Mortality

Written in response to the Daily Prompt: No Longer a Mere Mortal

Post Mortality

We didn’t know immortality would one day come in a potion.  We suppose we should have anticipated this development, but really, a potion?

Yuck!

We would have preferred a little blue pill.  Or better yet, a red one!

We do not think anyone needs an immortality potion, but if an immortality potion helps convince everyone they are really immortals, then perhaps we can say Go for it!

In our past lives immortality was a sort of triumph or personal feat; an achievement of a person’s will, a product of their sheer determination to live at any cost.

Of course, we are no longer living in those past lives, immortal though we were even then; instead, we have left those past lives behind.  We have chosen to divide ourselves and to leave those past lives to some of our other selves to continue to live in.  We have now moved on to this current incarnation, a new series of lives in which we have already been an immortal for many, many years now, long before this new potion came along.

We have never needed an immortality potion.

Being an immortal does not mean we cannot be killed; this flesh is weak, but it is also very easily replaced.  Our immortality is really a guarantee of our immediate resurrection, so long as it is our will to go on, along with a guarantee that one or more of ourselves will always choose to go on with any life we have ever been born into.

We are not sure whether immortality in a potion may really be a good idea, but hey, its done, so how do we live with it?

When we first learned we were immortal we did not want to believe it.

We wanted to die.

Of course, the only way anyone will ever find out if they are really immortal is to die and then return to their life, yes?

We discovered our own immortality long before the immortality potion came along by trying to kill ourselves.

But now, if you hand out all of these immortality potions so that everyone can discover they are immortal for themselves, you are gonna wind up with a lot of people killing themselves just to prove to themselves they really are immortals.

That is actually a dangerous business.

For one thing, our entire civilization may come crashing down as a result of these immortality potions.  Why would immortals wish to spend their eternities at their jobs?

For another thing, people will still be dying, however, many of them may try dying more often or may murder one another more frequently.

Sure, no one will really remain dead after they have died, but for people who do not believe these immortality potions really work there is a constant risk of psychoses as their cognitive dissonance between what they choose to continue to believe and what is now the new reality for their entire world collide with each other and vie for dominance.

Yet another danger is that while you will always return to life after you have died, you still experience your death as a physically, psychically, and emotionally traumatic event.  If you die often enough you can still develop a pretty serious case of post-traumatic stress syndrome.

We should know, we are still experiencing our death agonies; they continue to reverberate through our overloaded nervous systems.

Fortunately, we are pretty much done with testing our own immortality, we are reasonably well satisfied we will always return to this life each time we die in it.

Our immortality has not changed our morality.

We choose to be a moral person, within our own definitions of morality and within the weaknesses, tolerances, or limits of our disciplines.

That is our choice.

We see no reason to change this choice regardless of whether or not we are immortal.

However, we have known many criminals, some of whom have been self-avowed murderers, who might say the same for themselves; there are many days when we can believe that perhaps they can describe themselves as moral people not only sincerely, but even truthfully.

Morality is an extremely thorny issue.

We do not believe there are any universal codes for morality, we believe morality is a private matter and that morality should always remain a private matter.

We do not believe morality can be successfully legislated, the rate of incarceration per capita in the USA should be proof of this.

Personally, we prefer to choose not to bring harm to any other living being within what we might hope may be a reasonable scope or respectable parameters.

Might we harm one person to prevent harm to another?

Perhaps.

However, for some people, it may become much easier to use deadly force when they know that anyone they kill will always come back.

Eventually, people will learn that their immortality potions have really worked and they really are immortals.

We may only speculate whether morality will improve in this new world full of immortals only.

On that day when all people know they are immortals those people who are still believed to be dead will rise up from their graves and return to their lost lives.

This is because as immortals, the human race will now live long enough to invent time travel and then return to resurrect their dead ancestors.

People who have risen after a long period in their graves will take a long time to get up to speed.  They will shamble into their resurrected lives like zombies, slowly healing from ancient traumas that once held them in their graves, and slowly healing from cognitive dissonance between their past lives and this brave new modern eternal world…

We know this because we have already seen it happen.  We have already lived forever an infinite number of times.

Enjoy!

Love, Grigori Rho Gharveyn,
aka Greg Gourdian, Falcon, Chameleon, Roger Holler, etc., et al…

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TinYAP 023 — Beyond Death and Dying

(explanations promised at the end of TinYAP 022)

In TinYAP 022 we described what happens when people die. We (the authors) understand death intimately from our personal experiences because we have died many, many times, both in various versions of this current incarnation (versions we call ‘iterations’), as well as times when we have died in some of our other incarnations.

In TY022 We briefly explained, in context to ancient Greek beliefs, why people returning to life forget their ‘afterlife’ experiences.  While we should explain this better in another context using more modern terms, we will leave such explanations for another post and explain instead focus on the previously promised explanations of why the corpses of people you know who have died do not seem to return to life, and the ways you may unintentionally harm yourselves by suicide without successfully escaping from whatever torments drove you to kill yourselves,

Please note – we put quotes around the word ‘afterlife’ because time is very different from what most people appear to believe about it. Past and future are always simultaneous with the present. We understand this may seem impossible or confusing to you, however, this is yet another explanation we may owe you which we will have to make later.
Also,
in TY022 we advised readers not to test our assertions regarding dying or death with suicide.  It only now occurs to us that perhaps we should also have advised our readers not to test our assertions by killing anyone else, as well.

Every suicide’s death remains a ‘real’ death in the sense that their death may leave a corpse behind in the universes they ‘cast off’ when they kill themselves.  Also, someone who has died by any other means than suicide may also leave a corpse behind.

In those universes where a suicide returns to life they do not appear to have died.  The suicide returns to life in more or less the same state as they existed in before their suicide.  Alas, their suicides inform their universes that they are very unhappy with what they have, so they tend to lose most of what they had before they killed themselves, unless they have guardians or custodians who may help them to keep their belongings and maintain their relationships.

A billionaire who kills themselves may return to life and become a pauper in just a few days.

Someone with many close friends and family may lose less of their material wealth if they kill themselves, because their friends and family may sometimes act as guardians or custodians to help preserve their property.  However, suicides also often ruin their closest relationships.

The deaths of suicides in particular, may ruin relationships, however any death, in general, may also damage or ruin close relationships.

Every time you die the people whom love you most are hurt.  The more frequently you *choose* to die, the more deeply members of your family or friends may be hurt.

Everyone dies countless unremembered deaths, but the deaths of suicides leave much deeper impressions on people, impressions that are rarely understood but which serve to alienate people.  In whatever universes where a suicide finds themselves when they return to life, those people who are emotionally closest to them may become more alienated from them even though their family or friends are unlikely to be consciously aware that their loved one has killed themselves in an alternate universe.

Even though suicides return to their lives and carry on as if they had not died, suicides also leave behind worlds in alternate universes in which they no are no longer incarnate beings; worlds in which their lovers, families, friends and other associates may have been deeply hurt by the deaths of someone they loved who killed themselves.

When someone kills themselves they leave a corpse in one universe and return to life in another universe in a new body.  Their new body is virtually indistinguishable from the body they killed.

Nothing seems to have changed for the suicide or the people they know, however, in the universes where the suicide dies the people who mourn their loss are in pain, and that pain can carry over from one universe to another.

People close to a resurrected suicide feel their own pain bleeding over from those universes where the suicide has died into those universes where the suicide is still alive.  That transferred pain may insidiously alienate them from the person they love who has abandoned them in another universe by killing themselves.

People living with a loved one in universes where the loved one has returned from suicide may be unaware of their loved one’s suicide on any conscious level, however they may still feel some of the pain they are experiencing from those universes where their loved one has died by killing themselves.

Such people intuitively understand the pain they feel is related to the person they love who has killed themselves in an alternate universe.  This pain that has been transferred to them from another of themselves in another universe causes them to reflexively withdraw from their suicidal loved one.

A suicidal person can feel the withdrawal of their loved ones and this often increases their desire to kill themselves again.

Most suicides do not kill themselves only once; many suicides kill themselves repeatedly, injuring many of their closest relationships over, and over again.

It can be very difficult for suicidal people trapped in negative feedback loops to learn to motivate themselves to remain alive and to get on with their lives in a healthier manner.

Meanwhile, once a person has decided to kill themselves, it becomes easier to decide to kill themselves again, so not only is their motivation to kill themselves increased by the withdrawal of their closest relationships, but at the same time they are breaking down their inhibitions or reservations against killing themselves.  Consequently, suicidal people become prone to killing themselves more and more frequently.

This feedback loop actually increases the pain a suicidal person is feeling.  The suicidal person then makes themselves suffer more than they would if they had not killed themselves.

These are the reasons why we *strongly* advise people not to kill themselves.

It is impossible to escape pain or suffering by suicide, you can only make things worse for yourselves by killing yourselves.

We know this from our own personal experiences, having killed ourselves many, many times.

It’s bad enough we must die many times for reasons that may seem accidental, or for reasons that may be more homicidal than accidental, however, we should not need to add more to our pain by killing ourselves as well.

Dying hurts.

Each time we are dying we feel the people who love us most calling out to us, beseeching us to return, begging us not to leave them.  We feel all of their pain and the suffering they cause themselves when they grieve for us or mourn their loss.

The emotional pains of dying are far worse than any mere physical discomfort.  The emotional pains are so severe that they may sometimes help many suicidal people to change their minds about killing themselves.

However, those suicidal people who fail to change their minds may still go on to kill themselves.  Many of those who succeed in killing themselves may go on to kill themselves repeatedly until they become so numb to their own pain that they no longer care if they live or die and may then cease to kill themselves any more, not out of a will or desire to live, but out of apathy.

We ourselves have killed ourselves countless times, in every age of this incarnation, from womb to present.  We have left many graves in many worlds, we have abandoned many mourners who have grieved for us or who have suffered in the wakes of our passings.

Sometimes we find death useful.

Sometimes death can be a tool with which we may work on parts of ourselves that are difficult to change while we are alive.

Many aspects of peoples’ minds are in feedback relationships with their bodies or with other people.  Each person has many homeostatic regulatory systems which help to maintain not only their physical or spiritual health, but also their emotional and cognitive health, as well as the health of their relationships with other people.

Such homeostatic processes must be suspended to make particular changes to how various parts of our minds or bodies function.

Death is one means of suspending such homeostatic processes.  We do not happen to know of another, however, we strongly suspect that other methods exist.

<<<INTERRUPT>>> Other methods do exist.  A person who is an integrated member of a spiritual community may receive assistance with anything requiring homeostatic suspension through whatever prayers, meditations, or rituals are the conventional tools of their culture.
You have difficulty remembering this sort of thing because of your severe alienation.
<<<PROCEEED>>>

Thank you Interruptor.

Anyways…
As is often the case, this leads us to yet another story that may be more appropriate in a separate post.

We believe we have sufficiently covered both points we initially set out to explain.

Laters, then, fer now…

Enjoy!

TinYAP 022 — Dying, Death and Beyond, Time Manipulation, Returning to Life…

<WARNING: DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME>
(or anywhere else, really)

Regarding death…

People may sometimes appear to die.  Even to themselves, a person may sometimes appear to be dead.

Nonetheless, all people always return to life after they have died.

Ordinarily, death can feel like a very brief experience, particularly in the sense that when you resume your life, very little time may appear to have passed between the moments before your death and the moments immediately after you awaken from your death, as you return to life.

Your experiences while you are dead do not require any time to pass in the living world. All of your experiences when you appear to have died run on a totally different clock; you have all the time in the ‘afterlife’ (or underworld) to return to your life. You will always return to your life as close in time and space as possible to where and when you left your life.

You have many lives; death can serve as a door to allow you to move from one incarnation to another. Of course, you cannot just leave your current body an empty shell.  Even if your body is momentarily dead, someone will hijack your corpse if you are away from it too long.

Fortunately, most people return to their dead bodies per the rules we have explained above.

All of your lives of your various incarnations and all of their iterations are lived by different internal clocks. All internal clocks expand timelessness into infinite time. Internal clocks can be may speed up or slow down subjective time so that time seems to go by either faster or slower. A slower clock divides time into smaller units between each tick, so that more ticks are experienced between one second and the next.

One way to imagine how a slower clock works is to think of a movie that is made with high-speed film. High speed film captures clear images when the subject is moving very quickly. There are a lot more frames per second with a high speed film. Played at an ordinary rate subjects in the film appear to move more slowly than usual. When your internal clock speeds up it adds ‘frames’ that represent briefer and briefer slices of time, because the intervals between ‘frames’ are briefer there appears to be more action in a short span of time.

When your internal clock removes frames to slow subjective time down, each remaining frame then represents a longer period of time. This is like shooting just a few frames a day to record the growth of a plant, then running the frames at a higher rate of speed to create an illusion of much more rapid growth. In this way, when your internal clock goes slower, time appears to pass more slowly because you experience a lower density of events over time that you may deem worthy of paying attention to.

On the other hand, when your clock is going much faster, time may seem to slow down to a crawl because you experience more significant events in a briefer amount of time.

Your clock speeds up when you need more processing power to pay greater attention to higher levels of detail and complexity. Fast clocks are excellent for creative people, athletes, or people facing a crisis where they feel certain they are in immediate physical danger.

Slower clocks are typical with people who are habitually bored; because they are not engaged with the world around themselves to any significant degree their clocks may allow them to relax and stand down, perhaps even catch a nap.

People whose clocks are nearly always running as fast as they can tolerate find it hard to make much time for sleep.

Time appears to expand or contract according to the degree to which the observer is actively and deeply engaged in their experiences. For instance, in dreams hours, days or months of subjective time may pass by in only a few brief minutes of sleep.

We cannot say how many times this flexibility of our own internal clocks appear to have saved our lives.

For instance, on one occasion when we fell from a scaffold from three stories up, our subjective time immediately snapped into extreme slow motion, meaning our internal clock was running very fast. While falling we had plenty of time to look around. We drifted towards the ground below as slowly as a feather falls. We had time to calculate that we had just one opportunity to save ourselves from serious injury. We were able to hook one leg around the last horizontal bar of scaffolding before the ground, and then catch ourselves by locking our heels together. We wound up dangling upside down with all of our spare change flying out of our pockets. We could almost reach the ground if we stretched our arms out as far as we could.

On another occasion we went into subjective slow motion after being hit by a car. The car hit us from behind while we were riding our bicycle, throwing us over the handlebars. we had plenty of time to think about what we were doing, to tuck and roll, taking the impact with the ground on our shoulders. We could then look up in time to snag our flying bicycle out of the air by the handlebars and wrench it across the curb onto the grass margin between the sidewalk and the street. We used the momentum of the bicycle to help us to roll over the curb with our bike just in time to avoid being run over by the car that hit us which was traveling at nearly 50 miles an hour. We were well within an established bicycle lane on a road marked for only 25 miles an hour, approaching a school zone.

This flexibility of internal clocks is a great survival tool.

Often, when we die, we are retroactively saved from what had been certain death by a heroic form of ourselves who takes control of our mind and body and knows exactly how to manage our internal clock and body far better than we can.

If we examine the bicycle incident closely, we see we may really have died then. We do not remember dying then, but most of our memories of our deaths are pretty spotty. It seems as if people are just not supposed to remember their deaths.

In ancient lore, people who die must cross two rivers in the Underworld, Styx (death) and Lethe (memory removal). Memory removal usually assures that most ‘afterlife’ experiences, including the moment of death, are entirely forgotten.

We believe the only reason we remember as much as we do, including our memories that go back to our mothers’ wombs and beyond, may be due to our very early childhood training.

For glimpses into our childhood and what may be considered to be our very unusual training please see our page titled A CHILD’S TALES.

We can clearly remember several deaths in this lifetime.  One time, a friend cut our throat deeply from ear to ear in a ritual to prove to us that we are immortal.  Two witnesses were stunned and discussed choosing to forget what they had seen.  Another time we were shot dead by the police while trying to steal their van,  We touched each police officer in the back of his head near the nape of his neck with the fingers of either hand of our astral body simultaneously.  Our corpse immediately vanished, while our astral body turned to flesh.

Once again, the witnesses were stunned and discussed choosing to forget what they had seen. 

In both cases, the witnesses promptly forgot what had happened.

Most people appear to have a very low tolerance for anything they may prefer to believe is impossible; denial is most often their best refuge from events they have witnessed that might drive them mad if they choose to remember…

We do sound mad?  Yes?

Of course, we assure you we are not at all mad, however you may possibly take a long time to remember enough times when you have died in your current incarnation to begin to believe our assertions.  However, according to some of our friends, eventually you will come to agree with us, if not before you die again, then sometime after you have died many more times.

<WARNING>  We strongly recommend that you do not kill yourselves to test our assertions.

The safest way to understand your own immortality is to choose to remember times in this lifetime when you have already died.  We already know that you have died many times already, so this should not be too hard to learn to do if you really wish to know for yourself that what we have explained to you may really be true.

It’s like our mom says, “if you want to prove you can fly, be sure to do it from the ground up”.

How do we know you have died many times already?

Death is written into the fabric of every person’s lives; no matter how you divide up time, you are always being killed, and the universe you live in is always disappearing with you as you die.

This is a function of how creation works, but then so is the ‘big bang’.  If you think creationism and science cannot be reconciled, we would like to suggest you read: The Great False Debate, Science vs. Religion

Once you have died, you may have several options.  In one option you will always return to the life you have just departed from, and you then resume your life wherever you left off.  No matter how much time you spend with your other options, your previous life will always be waiting for you to return to it and resume it.

Another option is to try a different incarnation.  You can enter any of your other incarnations, even a ‘new’ one at any time.  If a part of you is currently living that lifetime they may agree to swap with you. 

Please note, in some circumstances, swapping your consciousness with someone in another incarnation including another of your own incarnations may occur for brief spans of time, following which you may return to whichever incarnation you were previously living in.

Yet another option is to spend some time, as many eternities as you like, really, remaining in the ‘afterlife’ or underworld, in order to get to know what reality is like from the other side, as it were… The afterlife can be lots of fun, you may meet all sorts of people you love, and may be free to have as many adventures as you like.  The downside to such sojourns in these ‘afterlife’ experiences is that you must cross the River Lethe to return to life, and are therefor, on exiting, you may most likely forget all of your ‘afterlife’ experiences, whenever you have return to life.

Regardless of your choices, (and, you are always free to choose all of them simultaneously), after you have died some of yourselves will always return to the whichever lives you have ‘recently’ died in and resume them.

As impossible as this may seem, this is not some paradox, this is just how things really are.

Enjoy!

PS
If you enjoyed this blog you should really like the Robin Williams movie titled:
What Dreams May Come, or one of our favorite articles,
‘Hell in a Nutshell’.

PPS
We owe you explanations of why the corpses of people you know who have died do not seem to return to life, and the ways you may harm yourselves by suicide without successfully escaping from whatever torment drove you to kill yourselves.  That will come another time, we can’t quite remember where we have made that explanation before or we would link it here now…

Bye, bye fer now, and remember, Enjoy!